By: andrew cooke
(and it's depressingly unsurprisng that people in that thread moan that this wasn't posted here, but don't crosspost themselves. you'd almost think they didn't want people to know....)
View ArticleBy: andrew cooke
there's a follow-up thread in metatalk that seems to show that cameras were not banned.
View ArticleBy: scarabic
"WE" didn't torture anyone. I know that I wasn't there. How about you mr.marx? Were you there? I blame a handful of soldiers. Wow. You just don't get it! You *can't* shirk this responsibility. I myself...
View ArticleBy: soyjoy
Shorter thread: I blame a handful of soldiers. - Witty Abuse of Captives More Widespread - Army Survey
View ArticleBy: acrobat
As a last word, un-witty. People who fight against an invader ARE NOT terrorists. If you repeat that a few times you might understand the difference.
View ArticleBy: y2karl
One suspects many pictures have been taken: Abuse of Captives More Widespread, Says Army SurveyAn Army summary of deaths and mistreatment involving prisoners in American custody in Iraq and Afghanistan...
View ArticleBy: languagehat
Well, OK, sure. I'm all in favor of understanding people's point of view. It's just that this one doesn't seem to need much explaining. I mean, 111's comments make perfect sense if you assume...
View ArticleBy: five fresh fish
Er, I don't think you need concern yourself that I'm in support of the actions in Abu Ghraib, k? I was trying to explain how Witty's writing makes sense from his point of view. That isn't to say he's...
View ArticleBy: languagehat
fff: The war's long over. And in case you haven't been following along, those people in Abu Ghraib were not "the enemy." They were just prisoners. A lot of them were locked up for no good reason. But...
View ArticleBy: five fresh fish
I'm not sure what part of my post you're addressing, NortonDC. Certainly my post wasn't addressing yours, and I don't see anything in my post that looks like something you're responding to.
View ArticleBy: NortonDC
five fresh fish, my point is not "that torture was bad, therefore invading Iraq was wrong." I never said that, because I never meant it. I said that people assigning themselves credit for the good that...
View ArticleBy: graventy
Those pictures were taken with a camera phone? Which one? That's pretty good quality from a camera phone.
View ArticleBy: Jimbob
Witty, I think you don't understand that in order to succeed, the US doesn't just have to prove "Hey, we aren't as bad as Saddam", they have to prove they aren't in the same fucking universe as Saddam....
View ArticleBy: five fresh fish
Ya know what? I know where Witty's coming from and why he's saying what he's saying. Simply put, if I've got him figured, he's saying that shit happens in a war. You put a bunch of people in a war...
View ArticleBy: NortonDC
Every soldier was part of toppling the Taliban and defeating Saddam... but only a handful were part of the "torture". No. If you claim credit for a violent enterprise that forces people to act on their...
View ArticleBy: Wulfgar!
Witty, I tried to ignore this most of the afternoon. But I think you went too far here, and you owe an apology. Metatalk.
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